Sgt. Gary Stein might be saying things about President Obama that a lot of Marines think, but some are saying he took it too far.
Stein has come under fire for stating on Facebook that he wouldn’t follow certain orders given by his commander in chief. And Marines say Stein’s not alone in his disapproval. More anti-Obama talk is being heard in the workplace and new Military Times poll data shows declining approval among military service members for the president’s job as commander in chief.
The Marine Corps depends its chain of command structure, especially in a time of war. Some Marines say Stein and other vocal Marines like him are undermining that system.
See this week’s issue for a breakdown on what is happening, what it means for the chain of command and what Marines are saying about it.
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the Oath did say ALL enemies foreign and domestic….
Hell yes it did!
Thank you Marines, Soldiers and all for having the courage to stand up for this country and her citizens against this Marxist regime… they have long despised those of us who wear or have worn the uniform and sworn the oath.
There’s a far more nefarious reason why Fauxbama has no intention of bringing you home… he knows where you stand, and that you will not stand for this on our soil. He is allowing his adopted “people” open season on you every day, stay safe, come home soon… and kill as many of those backassward muzzies as you can in the meantime.
AND the oath specifically states that we follow LAWFUL orders. In this way we do not become the “simple soldier only doing what he is told” no matter how henious the act. (See Germany circa 1933-1945).
You are all correct. No Marine or member of the military is obligated to follow unlawful orders. Also the oath that we all swore to “support and defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies, foreign AND domestic!” We will not follow unlawful orders, especially orders that are counter to the Constitution! Our allegiance is not to the President, nor the person in the office, but the Constitution! Nobama is in for a rude awakening if he tries to use his new Executive order from 12 March 2012 in order to impose ‘order’ in the country! (His potential attempt to impose martial law will be unlawful and he will end up in the Brig!)
Oath Keepers and 3%ers
The above comments are correct. This Usurper in Chief is a disgrace to our nation, our values, and our warriors. I commend my fellow devildogs for standing up to the tyranny that is sitting in the White House! Our loyalty is to the Constitution and to the citizens of our nation, not to any one man, woman, or political party. Semper Fi!
This is not the Corps I grew up in.
Marines don’t have the luxury of having political opinions. This man is the Commander in Chief, like it or not. This Marine should be dealt with according to the UCMJ. If his chain of command won’t do it, they should be replaced. I am no fan of the president but this is not how the military works. This is a fundamental breakdown of the essence of the Marine Corp.
You don’t get to disobey orders just because you have a strong political opinion, I followed Bush’s orders and I will follow Obama’s even if they both give shitty ones from time to time. Get over it.
To correct you Devil. Marines don’t have the luxury of “expressing” thier politcal opionions. I am happy to know that my fellow Marines recognize the issues and know that there are domestic threats to our Freedom that don’t have bombs attached. The gradual deterioration of our country is evident. The Marine Corps and the Military is a congressional vote away from being disbanded at ANYTIME. We have to recognize that if our country losses its Constitution… That includes those serving in the Military. Stay Salty Marines! Pay attention to what is happening in the World and Keep to the Oath. Semper Fi.
Now I understand that this order is a shock – but first of all – It is lawful. Abraham Lincoln declared martial law during the civil war.
How different would Katrina have looked if we had this kind of executive power available – as well as the ability to deploy FEDERAL troop & Engineers/Sea-Bee’s into the area at a moments notice.
The anarchy in the streets would have been quelled almost immediately. The fiasco in the Superdome would have been averted, and Marines would have lead the way to recovery with humanitarian evacuation with Ch-46 & 53′s.
Think of what would happen in a tsunami without this? We need our Marines,other service branches, and resources to provide during an attack from any domestic enemy – ever if that enemy is an act of God.
“–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
Quoting the Declaration of Independence is irrelevant and totally out of context.
The DoR has no Executive, Judicial, or, Legislative power. This is still a lawful order.
Now as for civil uprising in accordance with the DoR – You are right – it may be about time, but you just might have to stand up to our own Armed Forces as they have no discretion to use against a lawful order – especially when it comes from our Commander in Chief.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” ~Edmund Burke
All I know is if there is a civil uprising, this Marine won’t support Nobama. I will support the Constitution and if that takes “disabling” the president so be it.
Obama is not the president, he is an ineligible usurper and any orders that flow from the chain of command are illegal. When are the “authorities” going to act on the fact that his birth certificate and selective service registration are blatant forgeries, and that he’s using a stolen social security number? Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s team of retired professional law enforcement investigators has concluded that there is ample probable cause of Obama’s fraud. The democrat party and the mainstream media are complicit in the biggest cover-up in the history of the United States.
I was in Iraq when our Socialist president, Obama was elected. It hurt. It was a terrible feeling that America would toy with suicide.
I hate that man. I hate Obama. But he has inspired the election of more Republicans to be elected to public office than ever before. Sometimes We might really have to peer off the edge of the Abyss to feel alive. I hate Obama, G*d-damn I hate Obama! And every Democrat elected to office, for they are All Obama!
What a bunch of hillbilly conspiracy theorists. I love how some of you racist birthers hide behind some false belief that the President is giving out “unlawful orders”. How ridiculous you are to the majority of Americans. As a Marine, I followed my orders. You see, that is how it works. You serve first, then you get out of the Marines and do what you want. Grow up, do your job, and shut up.
What do you have to say to those who have proven that Obama’s documents are forged, and that he is using a stolen social security number?
If it was proven…truly proven…we wouldn’t be having the same discussion. Fact is, Arpaio’s followers are an extreme minority & anyone can SAY they have proof. If he had it, he’d show it.
If we try to raise an illegitimate argument against a legal election we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
The country is better than this crap.
Your all idiots!!!!!!!!
I hope the individuals that are supporting this also support those that refused to deploy because of “Bush’s unlawful” war.
Otherwise ya’ll are a bunch of hypocrits. Disobeying an order is disobeying an order. Unless it is unlawful but just because you don’t like the guy….grow up.
The idea that soldiers are supposed to “follow orders and keep your mouth shut”, when given an unlawful order is foolish.
America depends on the Marine Corp to keep us safe. You are our best sons and daughters.
That you would even entertain the thought of turning the trust given to you upon your own people makes my blood boil.
Understand this: the day you turn upon your own people is the day that you will cease to exist in the hearts and minds of the American people.
Your bodies will take a bit longer but we’ll kill you so fast you won’t believe it.
Being an old school devildoc, I believe it’s this new generaton of military personal. (all branches) Very disrepectful!!! We need to go back to Vietnam era of training to weed these degenerates. All the want is to have a job and education bennies and not accept the responsibilty of the uniform. Article 88: “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Need I say more?!
I’ve always said that I believe that the only hope for this country is for the military to take control and dissolve the present branches of government. Start over with the original constitution and get God back into our country. We’ve shed far too much blood defending lowlife thugs around the world. Lets concentrate on the United States first!!!!!!!!!!!!
So if Obama said all non gov’t employees are terrorist you would turn your rifle on them? How does your mother feel about this? Would she just say he is doing your job? Or, would she try to convince you this is wrong and not how you were raised and you kill her because she is going against your orders?
As MARINES, we follow orders. It is not up to us to determine if it is a lawful order, that is up to our superiors (except in the most blatent cases). We are trained to know right from wrong, even though we may not always have good judgment. Politics and our criminal government will work itself out, we just have to keep doing our jobs and being MARINES.
Wow. Wow. You idiots make me ashamed of my country. You are not qualified to represent our nation in uniform. Obama was lawfully elected your CINC, and you have a duty to follow the COC. If you cannot do that in accordance with your personal beliefs, you have an obligation to resign your commission immediately. You will then be free to express your opinions any legal way you see fit. But treason is not an option.
So Hard Charger you would kill american citizens if told to do so by your immediate superior?
You realize that this supposed “new” executive order just revised some agency references in an order that’s been around for 80 years, right? Nothing new, unless one doesn’t actually take the time to read.
To hardCharger and Hiram Rickover: When laws destroy the very people they’re created to help, they’re no longer moral and there’s no compunction to follow them by a soldier.
If that bothers you and you’re ashamed of your country then leave.
A truly free citizen is one who will support THE CONSTITUTION, not the Commander in Chief, when he is NOT in accordance with the constitution. The Oath of allegiance that a Marine takes reflects this. the oath isn’t to the president, it’s to the constitution.
Treason is acting against the constitution, not the president.
Hard Charger, keep this in mind when you’re asked to suborn the constitution and commit military actions against your own people on your own soil.
to all those who say this is insubordination. What if you’re oath to support and defend the constitution is in conflict with your oath to obey the orders of the president? is he not ‘always faithful’ to refuse to obey orders that are in direct contextion with individual rights, particularly those protected by the bill of rights? (see NDAA) Sgt Stein is a PATRIOT. It’s is Marines like him that make our starnding military something to revere rather than a feared arm of a dictator like so many other militaries throughout history. to put it in terms I’ve read in On Killing by Lt Col Grossmen, this moral fiber is what differentiates our military as more like sheep dogs who protect the flock than wolves who prey upon the sheep.
[...] Marine Times: “Sgt. Gary Stein might be saying things about President Obama that a lot of Marines think, but some are saying he took it too far. Stein has come under fire for stating on Facebook that he wouldn’t follow certain orders given by his commander in chief. And Marines say Stein’s not alone in his disapproval. More anti-Obama talk is being heard in the workplace and new Military Times poll data shows declining approval among military service members for the president’s job as commander in chief. The Marine Corps depends its chain of command structure, especially in a time of war. Some Marines say Stein and other vocal Marines like him are undermining that system. See this week’s issue for a breakdown on what is happening…” [...]
…so issues behind the disapproval numbers include repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” relaxing restrictions of women in combat, and steep budget cuts.”…all sound good to me…we have so many great people in the military that we no longer have to tolerate homophobia…so many great people we no longer have to discriminate against women…and so many great people that realize just how wasteful and expensive the military has become…
The usual fine line between legal and illegal orders is not so fine these days.
First, the practice of undeclared wars has to end. And when war is declared, the military must be unfettered in its mission. Let’s face it… We basically completed our mission in Afghanistan within weeks of its start back in 2001. It is the politicians that have created the mess that our soldiers find themselves in today.
We really need to take a good hard look at our priorities and observe the constitution when decisions are made. The last three years has seen this document trampled on and disrespected in a big way.
No more sending our young people to wage war without the specific approval of Congress and when such action is approved, it should be explicit and accomplished quickly. Leave the “nation building” to others.
I know well what today’s soldier’s face everyday as I saw the same in Vietnam. No more being assigned with a hand tied behind your back…
To Hiram Rickover – he was not legally elected, because he was not properly vetted to serve office. He’s not a natural born citizen, which is required to be CINC. Never mind whether or not he has a legitimate BC or a stolen SS card number, which are different issue, yet related.
What Blaner4JC said!
The question is will you guys turn on civilians, I was in the Army during Nam, 70 -73, my father was in Marines WWII on Iwo Jima.
…wow…this survey and these comments also show that they still cling to birther conspiracy nonsense…thanks to all those who took the time to correct and mock them…
Get some Marines!
First, as Marines we do not independently select our leadership at the top. We carry out the orders that may be given from time to time.
Secondly, splitting hairs over whether or not he is legal, illegal, socialist, not socialist, pro-military, anti-military etc. is a worthless discussion to be had. You vote based on your belief, conviction, and in hope that the guy/gal you are voting for upholds the same principles you would like to see, plain and simple.
When you lose an election to someone who does not believe what you believe, or is fundamentally changing what you would like to see…guess what? There’s always next election. That is the way the ball rolls, fortunately and unfortunately.
Thirdly, the good Corpsman (pronounced correctly by me by the way :)) made an excellent point above that I think really drives at what should be the focus here. The disrespect levels of today’s society is out of freaking control. Not just in the military, but world wide. Social media (like what I am using now) has taken over some of our lives. My 15 year old son cannot string a sentence together, but by golly he sure can text 80 words a minute! Now there’s a skill that will take him far in life. For the older generation (boomers) 50 year old and older, it is time for you guys to start acting your age and stand up for what you were taught by the greatest generation of folks. Don’t go into debt, it is irresponsible. Respect your elders and those of authority, it is responsbile. Abide the law and those that enforce it, it is repsonsible. Get a freaking job and keep it, until the next one comes along that you want, it is responsible. Further your education, it is responsible. And for God’s sake, quite damn bitching and complaining about how your poor life is bad and the evil rich people do not give you a chance, get off of the damn cell phones, have an intelligent conversation with someone in person for a change and learn to live with one another differences and all.
Look, there are plenty of things I dislike about the policies this President has presented, as well as the rest of the democratic ideology and party’s way of thinking. I am a conservative, why wouldn’t I disagree. But I also understand that the only way that I can personally change that is to vote. That is the one thing that you can absolutely do. There is a reason they call it your “duty” and “responsibility” to do so. Start reading and quit watching crap like the Jersey Shore, or The Biggest Loser, and every other brain rotting program out there that draws you into some fantasy world and then label it as “just entertainment”. There was a time, and not too long ago, that you could watch a decent family oriented program on television and not have to worry about the indocrination of your children. This society has become completely commercialized into believing you deserve things you cannot afford, you dont need, and without even having to work for it. Example; housing crisis, hundreds of thousands of jobs in this country are going unfilled each day because lazy ass Americans refuse to do “meanial work”. Or the best excuse that I love hearing; “I could get more money or a better job than that”. No you can’t. If you could, you would! Dummy! No go work the menial job, work your way up the chain, prove yourself and make something of your life, and lead by example for the fatherless children you plan to have with 3 different girls, all because the government wouldn’t buy them their birth control!!!! See the irony?
Lastly, this President will not be re-elected this fall because of the issues that we have been talking about and because people are motivated to change it. There is no need for such ridiculous rhetoric to be thrown around with half ideas, half truths, and half assed plans. It is quite simple folks. On November 6th all eligible Americans that “want” or “choose” to vote, will. And on November 7th (with exception of a hanging chad or two) we will know who the next leader of this great nation is <—–period.
I would love to think that our military would stand up and say enough is enough and especially refuse orders that went against the citizens of this county, however, from my view point, I don’t see that happening. All I have to do is look at the military involvement in Iraq, Afcrapistan, Libya, and soon Iran. It’s all about oil and the dollar. Those countries were not the scarry terrorist countries you were told, so why were you there fighting and dieing? Because those countries decided to sell their oil using something other than the dollar. They side stepped the system, the bankers system. What lies will you fall for when they order you to go get those bad US citizens?
Oath before Orders.only robots obey orders regardless of nature because they are unable to moraly assess them.Those of you who obey orders because you are a good Marine and you do what you are told are one step away from being a Nazi camp guard.They too followed orders from 1933-1945.
Are you rely surprised that these NCOs are speaking out against a president that seams to piss on the military every chance he gets? If you’ve been in then you know one of the best pieces of advice given to any new marine, whether it be a 2nd LT or a PFC its still the same, “listen to your NCOs”
The corps is broken, so is our system of govt. when we fix one, the other will follow. The fish rots from the head down, the coach has to go.
All members of the service from top brass to pvt. have sworn to defend the “country” “NOT the Commander in Chief.”
We Marines do get to select our leaders!
The higher echelon may select the person in charge, however we show respect to the title.
If we don’t like you we “frag” you.
Or we have a friendly fire attack.
Or we set you up!
It is not spoken of…but it is there!
I’ve seen it happen in person!!!!
There are many things the UCMJ cant see, other it can.
Such as being able to see lifting the ban on bestiality and homosexuality.
Marines are robotic in the “Military Occupational Skill” in which the have been trained.
They are also trained to be leaders!
To “THINK FAST.”
Leaders think. They must always be thinking.
Power is “given” to the leaders.
Eventually….when these trained soldiers see the abuse of power they rebel and cross the Rubicon and do the right thing.
Be true to thine self!
To all current and former members of the US Armed Services: Thank you so much for your service! It really becomes move obvious how much you have to put up with during tough times like now. You cannot be thanked enough by folks like me who have never served.
Has anyone checked to make certain that our military actually gets their friggin ballots in ample time …
so as not to be able to disenfranchise them from yet another election????????
I’d like to know what has been done about this.
To sort of quote “A Few Good Men”, “It didn’t work for Cali at Mi Li and it didn’t work for the Nazis at Nuremburg.” Just following orders will get you arrested and tried and convicted. Unlawfull means just that, “Unlawfull”. PERIOD.
civilians on the big board with the drones will have no qualms about killing Americans in uniform or not. We are in this together. We have been had, and the debt needs to be negated. The current occupants (squatters) of the whitehouse are dug in like ticks, and a sapper couldn’t get his wife and mother-in-law to leave.
In response to M. Owen Santy and Hard Charger, 4th Gen/ Mom is quite correct to quote the Declaration of Independance, the most “dangerous” document in human history to remind us all that the rights and liberties of the citizens are not the given by any constitution, government or CinC, but are a gift direct from Almighty God to the people.
Today’s service members are not robots or slaves. I don’t believe the Marines that stormed the beaches of the Pacific in WW2 were either. They must voluntarily respect the orders of their superiors, but know they are in uniform to obey and protect the American People above all.
The time may soon be coming when all AD, Reserve, and Retired Reserve like myself will have to make a choice and choose a side. For me the D of I is clearly superior to the order of any earthly king and the Constitution itself. If Misters Santy and Charger choose the dark side it would be regretable, but would not cause me to hesitate in “dropping the hammer” if need be! God Bless America!
You take an oath and you serve. You do not dissent. You do not discuss politics. You follow orders. You are a United States Marine. Simple. End of story. Black and white. Or should I say, Green. Anything less, and you are unworthy of the title and a disgrace to the uniform. Get out and do something else.
I hear that Obama doesn’t even like SUBMARINE sammawiches, which is ridiculous because SUBMARINE sammawiches are delicious.
Wow, I feel way less protected than before I read the comments here.
How many of you are home now because your CiC ended duties in Iraq. How many of you know, or even care, that any of the current R candidates will sell your pay and VA benefits down the river on day one?
Well, the R candidates are the ‘right’ color, so I guess it’ll be worth it.
I salute those Marines courageous enough to speak up against that Marxist in White House.
Tom, shame on you for playing the RACE CARD! It is BHO’s political perspective and insistance on using the military to enforce his liberal brand of social engineering that makes him so repugnant.
I’m sure the rules of engagement that the Messiah change had nothing to do with this.
some of you forget the presidunce is HALF WHITE…
and why would secdef disarm Marines before he spoke???
bring ALL of our young warriors HOME…now…
when moe-hammy is shootin’ at ya…follow orders!!!…after the shootin’ stops…put out any suspected fires or potential fires…debrief…clean your very best friend…get some sleep…
usn ret sends ’62-’82…
I’ve never served but I just love you guys. I’d vote for any of you over Obama. You love your country. I love all of you. ‘Nuff said. November cannot come soon enough. OK why I am posting is because in every election it seems that my military absentee ballots don’t get counted and it is always a small AP story. It should be a mandate that your ballots arrive and are counted on election day. You are NOT absentee. You are standing in front of all of us. Your votes should be counted first. Demand your congressman life flights your ballots to you and gets them back and counted on election day. Why should Michael Moores ballot be counted before yours. When I watch Fox News this Nov I would like to see military votes counted first, not last if at all. We owe you that.
I’m a conservative and come from a military family and have a son who just got out of the Air Force and a daughter getting ready to go in, but I have to tell you that some of these comments are upsetting. I really dislike Obama and think that he is clueless about why this country was founded and why the Constitution was supposed to be a document of limited federal powers. But please stop the hate. He is your CinC, like it or not. If you want to change that, then make sure you vote in November and get all your like minded friends to vote. And remember that we will survive his presidency because this country has survived times far worse than this.
Tom @ 56 you ignorant slut…
Whereas no one before you in this thread had brought up race or political affiliation, I deem thee shit-house mouse of this thread. You add nothing to the conversation, other than bile.
Holy crap there are some ignorant people here. I see we have some Fox viewers here based on these insane allegations and conspiracy theories. It’s actually a bit sad that many of these people are unable to think for themselves, but rather, let talking heads define their reality.
Put on your big girl panties, grab your bootstraps, and stop the bitching. You don’t like who’s in charge vote him out. Volunteer for his Santorum. Make phone calls for Mitt. Have an affair for Newt. But stop with this BS about oath and constitution and birther. It doesn’t help your cause, it makes you look like stubborn, spoiled brats who didn’t get their way.
Obama is not the boogieman. He doesn’t have some secret, nefarious plan to destroy America. He’s a person, just like you, with different views. That’s all. Really, it’s that simple. Take off the tinfoil hats and grow a pair.
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like Barack Obama with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Barack Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.
Blaming the Prince of Fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.
I guess we now know why a 38-yr old staff sergeant went ballistic and killed 16 unarmed non-combatants in Afghanistan. He was following the orders he made up in his mind and justified to himself, maybe even egged on his by patriotic buddies. The attitudes expressed here about disobeying a President are shameful and un-American, ignorant, and quite scary. President Obama, whose grandfather fought with Patton in World War II, ordered the death of America’s No. 1 enemy, Osama bin Laden, bringing praise and respect to our military, and this is his thanks?
I back each and every Marine who stands against the usurper. I hear all the clap trap about following orders, and I will not be satisfied until he is arrested.
Sect. of Def. Panetta gets his orders from the UN. You still gonna follow the orders?
Let us be clear here. All the globe has recently witnessed is America arming, supplying funding Al Qaeda rebels in Libya and now, its the turn of Syria, the next pay cheque for the western back moslem militant mercenaries.. Its about time you marines woke the hell up… WHY was it that not all troops went home from Iraq at Christmas, and now sit tight inside two airbases in Jordan on the Syrian border, pushing arms, weapons, logistical support and vehicles, hardware, communications equipment, over the border and into the hands of the moslem brotherhood in Syria???, The same as they did via Egypt and into Libya??? You are being used as pawns and the moslem militants are taking all the top dollars lol…
Abdullah.. sorry to say, but your ignorance is sad to witness.
To many of you….listen up… this POTUS is NOT IGNORANT..he is EVIL. 20 years learning hate from an evil pastor, birds of a feather and all that jazz. The globalist put him in there because they know the white liberals and gutless RINOs would never impeach this traitor. He is methodically destroying this nation to cede our sovereignty to the U.N.
Michael New refused to serve under the BLUE colors of the UN. He paid dearly. SO, be ready to pay the price. Stalin learned that natives will not shoot their own so he assigned all native troops to other Soviet countries. That is why OUR troops are outside CONUS on false flags & phoney wars! Learn from the words of Henry Kissinger: “Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”
Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Bilderberg meeting.
Fellow vets we are at a crossroads never has our leadership been so openly blatant about their Marxist leanings and support. I pray we will never have to but the day may very well come. Laughing are you, call me a conspiracy nut will you?? The default replies of shallow minds that refuse to learn. You all of ALL people should know how Psy-Ops works even against your own. Learn also from Katrina where police and military rounded up weapons form innocent civilians needing to protect their own families from the thugs. So before all the big macho talk ramps up what will you all do in that situation, strip a vet like me from my weapons as I live adjacent to a section 8 welfare housing area???? Or will you shot a 60 year old vet for refusing?
Things to think about ladies and gents before your mouth overloads your alligator azz. AH yes I am passionate about my own liberties just as many of you all are. Just challenging your thinking process with a few facts to ponder……
CH-47 C super-C
break your birdie, we’ll give you a lift and bring your toy home too……ha……..hoo-rah…
To Patton lover:
you and the rest are very ill informed. OBL died years ago from kidney failure. Our OWN CIA visited him at Landsthul, Germany. India PM told in an interview he was dead guess what she was dead shortly thereafter. We are being played you all need to educate yourselves. So the Commie in chief has a grandfather that served under Patton did he? I’ll look that up. In the mean time regardless of his roots he is still a Marxist Ideologue and his fascist/socialist tendencies are still real. So nothing changes but liberals will always try to justify their failed policies if it makes them feel good.
Abdullah: You sir/madame are either a disinfo shill or totally ignorant of the global agenda. You are correct in one thing there is NO CONSPIRACY it is open fact. Read Tragedy & Hope by Bill Linton’s mentor Prof. Carrolle Quigley. He outlines the global agenda in a 1300+ page tome written as he learned of the CFR agenda during his tenure as recording sec. for the Council of Foreign Relations.
I’ve grown a pair and am wearing them use your brain and go read and educate yourself it may frighten you a bit an dlearn you don’t have a pair.
Really… Commander in Chief?? I thought that WAR had to be DECLARED by CONGRESS in order to give the President that authority. Yes OB man is controlled by people more powerful than he. Never in history have we seen this extent of the action he has done. He should be removed, Our precious military come home to protect its citizens and remove this fraud from the whitehouse.
Besides, Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate for a decent idea of NOT making the US a 3rd world country in a very short period of time. Your citizens who you should protect are falling victims to a banking cartel and psychopaths while on the cusp of defending themselves from those who are suppose to protect us. The problem is, most of them don’t know it.
Be safe, and for God sake come home soon!
Ladies and Gentlemen:
As far as orders go, not only does the Constitution trump all conflicting military orders, but each of us is criminally and civilly liable for carrying out orders which violate the Constitution or which have not been authorized by Congress. Captain George Little of USS Boston found that out the hard way in 1804. In 1801, he had followed President Adams’ orders to take any ships bound for, entering, or leaving French ports. Congress, however, had only authorized capturing American ships bound for or entering French ports. Captain Little captured the Dutch trader “Flying Fish” after it left a French port. The Supreme Court in Little v. Barreme ruled that Little was PERSONALLY liable for damages to the ship and his crew, because the President’s orders were unlawful, exceeding the authority extended by Congress. If the United States has not been attacked and is not in imminent danger of being attacked, the President has no authority to wage war unless authorized by Congress. Period. Any attempt to do so is illegal.
to those that would obey any order to take arms against the US population…my bead will be on your name tag…semper fi
I thought I was going to faint the day I heard that Obama managed to get “don’t ask don’t tell” repealed. Nothing against gays, but this was not a good idea! I am very concerned about this, and I think it won’t end well.
My heart goes out to our military men & women who must now live under this administration’s rule. Its no secret here that he has no respect for our military, he has no understanding of military life and just what goes on the line each and every day.
To those that state that you’re there to follow orders and not question whether they’re legal or not:
This is at ODDS with the UCMJ. Following criminal orders will have you hang with the officers that GAVE them, regardless of their role.
More specifically, you claim he was sworn in. I suggest reading Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution and ask yourself what “natural born” means (Here’s a hint: It’s born of two CITIZEN parents on US Soil, guys… His claimed Father- never was a US Citizen…) Just because he was sworn in does not make him legitimately your CINC. If he gives orders contrary to the UCMJ or to the Constitution, you are following CRIMINAL orders.
If he orders something treasonous- are you going to follow his orders as a fellow traitor?
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Officers don’t even swear to follow orders. The officer oath simply requires the officer to “…support and defend the constitution…” No, oath to follow the orders of the officer appointed above.
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Thank you all for your service to out country. I am the daughter of a WW11 veteran wounded in the Battle of Hurtgen Forest in Germany. One of his brothers served with Merrill’s Marauders, returned home and died of alcoholism. Another brother was a prisoner of war in Japan, returned home diagnosed with “battle fatigue” and never recovered. My father’s family paid a price for our freedom. Before my father’s death on Sept. 18, 2010, he discussed with me his fears for our country.
I am a wife, mother, grandmother, and retired RN. It needs to be known that there are organizations, (ex. Tea Party, 912, and other grass-root groups) in every state in the country that are working day and night to wake up the American citizenry. We know that this president’s parents were both Communists, his mentor was Communist, (Frank Marshall Davis), he attended the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years, (a Marxist), his religious adviser in the White House, Rev. Jim Wallace, a Communist, the White House czars he has appointed, Communists, and many department heads are Communist. His candidacy for the presidency was announced in the home of Bill Ayers, radical 60′s Communist (member of the Weather Underground) that served jail-time for bombing the Pentagon. Obama taught the philosophy of Saul Alinsky, a radical revolutionary, to college students. The mask is off, his “Fundamental Transformation” of America is in the making. But he is not the only threat. In 1992 President George H. Bush signed the Rio Accords at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro opening the path for the US to implement Sustainable Development, Agenda 21. President’s Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have followed in his footsteps. They, and Barack Obama have been puppets of a group of extremely wealthy men around the world. A group of rich elitists who are hell bent on a “One World Order”. The reports of Global Warming/Climate Change are a ruse to instill fear and illicit cooperation in their new green sustainable earth philosophy. It is mind-boggling to think that our own government will be complicit in this ruse and subsequent loss of our sovereignty.
The progressive liberal establishment has managed to degrade our morality, indoctrinate our children with a Marxist philosophy of social justice and re-distribution of wealth, remove God from our classrooms and main-streets of the country, and the main-stream media is absent. Are they ignorant or complicit?
Obama is actually dictating by fiat. He has circumvented the Congress, attacked religious liberty with his healthcare mandates on contraception, sterilization, and abortion, and governs by Executive Order. He has stated his disdain for the Constitution of the United States on many occasions and by writing in his college thesis, ‘The Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned’. The Founding Fathers believed in Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and those unalienable rights from the Creator, not the government, were the cornerstones of the Constitution of the United States.
We have Occupy Wall Street calling for the demise of capitalism, supported by the President of the United States forever preaching his “fair share rich poor class warfare” diatribe. They are funded by the Communist Party of America, Michael Moore’s Move-On.org, the unions, Code Pink, and George Soros, another Communist who has called for the collapse of the dollar and predicts a revolution in the US. There are over 70 self-avowed Socialists in the Congress. The country is being brought down from within and the UN will finish the “transformation”.
This is not about politics. This is about freedom vs tyranny. The United Nations needs to be stopped and the federal government restored to the vision of the Founders. We need a George Washington, a man of honor, who loves his country. I pray it won’t be too late.
@Carol Dufrene: You should realise that MoveOn’s not really Moore’s org. It’s Soros’… Pretty much everything else you’ve called out is correct. (It should also be noted that MoveON’s the one managing the farce called the “Occupy” movement.)
Nice Job Carol. USAF 62yr old brat of Maj J.E. Tomasch (87) WW11 Korea and Nam veteran here. God gives the rights not the government first. Second Obama said that his Father was born in Kenya and at the time of his birth it was a British colony. So Obama does not qualify under the native born citizen rule of the Constitution. Sheriff Joe does have the goods in his investigation, the white house doc of long form certificate was generated by computer it is a fake so is his selective serice doc but most importantly is why has the media not covered this press release by the Sheriff? Look this country is in a world of hurt morally, financially and when we kicked God out of our lives he left us to ourselves. We are only holding on till His Son Jesus comes to collect his children and then the World Order with its antiJew and antiChrist leader will take over. The restrainer, the Holy Spirtit will be then taken back to heaven and man will reveal his true self with the Devil as his leader. Choose a side soon or soon it will be made for you. Thats what this is really about. John 3:16
Look at it like this, A man who was authorizez to be the captian of his neighabor hood watch shot and killed a young boy, the man was a Hispanic with partial black bloob, not white. In order to deamonize this man the media and black America began calling this man a white man, then a racist whiteman, this was done in my opinion to rally the troops to spread this man is a white racist and therefor deserves everyones wrath. Because of this Eric Holder sent the civial rights people the FBI and the CIA in order to puff up this as a hate crime! And it is working. My point here is what if this is done to a group of Americans, what if they are labled something, anything, baby molesters, racists and the Army or serveces are told to attack them on American soil . What would you do!!… Gorge Zimmerman is not white, is not racist , he had a gash on his face and a bloody knot on the back of his head.
What would you do/ follow Obamas Orders or no?
I worry sometimes that we, as a nation are devolving into partisan hackery and that a terrible schism is on the horizon. I dislike this president but I believe that just doesn’t matter to my service. My job, as I see it, is to uphold the standards of USMC and to set an example as best I can and screaming conspiracy theories, or outright calling for revolt is quite simply TREASON. To those of you engaging in these tactics you are betraying yourselves, your country and most importantly the ideals set forth by our founding fathers, who, I might add, disagreed amongst themselves on great many things but still came together to create this nation.
whoever thinks it is bush’s war is so lame.. bush would not do this.. look what obama did to our country.. does anyone not care about 911 my god.. you need to remember that.. it is obama who is a terrorist it is obama who is a muslim.. it is obama who hates this country.. bush loves the troops and loves the country so if you think it is bush’s fault think again and know the facts.. i have a bf in war now.. i am thankful what he is doing and my god i am proud of him and all the other troops!!!
obama is not natural born although he may indeed be a citizen two totally different issues.
The argument Dems make is that the words natural born are not defined in the constitution therefor we must look in the 15 amendment of the immigration act…not true.
In the 4 amendment it states every man has the right to bare arms in order to keep a well regulated militia. Well here to the definition the right to bare arms is not defined, so do we say every man has a right to ware strapped tee shirt so he can bare his arms??. No ,…..this is not funny it designates that no definition! doesn’t mean to look some where else or in our vernacular, it means you look at the history of the times the vocabulary of the time and the source of the legal writings which was a man named Vattle that had written many lawful binding laws . I believe from France, Natural born had a meaning when the Constitution was drafted and we do not need Democrats to rewrite history or the constitution.
I submit that Article II’s “natural born Citizen” clause has a fixed and knowable meaning which was established at the time of its drafting and should therefore be interpreted through the eyes of the original Framers that drafted and ratified the clause so as to determine what they intended the clause to mean (original intent theory). I also submit that we should interpret the “natural born Citizen” clause in a way that reasonable persons living at the time of its adoption would have declared the ordinary meaning of the text to be (original meaning theory). This is not living constitutionalism but rather originalism or textualism as applied to interpreting the Constitution. It is this latter approach that I will utilize in this article.
E. Vattel stated in 1758, as translated into English in 1797: “The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” E. Vattel, The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Sec. 212 Citizens and natives. In Footnote 1 at the end of Sec. 212, Vattel stated that “as a general rule” the child inherits his father’s citizenship, or his mother’s but only if she is not married.
The first thing that we have to understand about what Vattel wrote is that he made a distinction between a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen.” A citizen is simply a member of the civil society who is bound to the society by certain duties and subject to its authority. “Citizens” also participate equally in all the advantages the society has to offer. On the other hand, a “natural born Citizen” means much more than just “citizen.” Vattel required that for a child to be a “natural born citizen,” or what he called in French in his 1758 first edition of The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, les naturels, ou indigenes (the “natives or indigines”-The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253 (1814)), the child must be born in the country to both parents who are also citizens of the same country.
In the original French, Vattel wrote: “Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays de parents citoyens,” meaning the “natives or indigines” are those born in the country of citizen parents. Both the Framers and later English translators of Vattel’s treatise replaced the words”natural born Citizen” for the words “natives or indigenes.” From Madison’s notes, we see that there were some delegates who were concerned about foreigners. For example, from Max Farrand’s transcripts of Madison’s notes (August 9 and August 13, 1787), there is the following concerning the House of Representatives eligibility requirements: “Mr. Gerry wished that in future the eligibility might be confined to Natives.” The word “native” occurs multiple times in the notes for these two days. (The phrase “natural born citizen” was not used here by the delegates.). The word “native” was a synonym for the phrase “natural born citizen.” The delegates had already used the term “natural born citizen” when proposing the requirements for President, Vice President, and either House of Congress and later used the word “natives” when referring to eligibility requirements for the House of Representative. There is further evidence of this in at least three works: Blackstone’s “Commentaries on the Laws of England” (see Book the First: The Rights of Persons; Chapter the Tenth: Of People, Whether Aliens, Denizens or Natives.), translations of Quintilian’s “Institutio Oratoria”, and the 1797 English edition of Vattel’s “The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law.”
In the beginning of his definition, Vattel required that the children be born of “parents” who are citizens. The use of the word “parents” refers to both mother and father. If he required only one parent such as the father, he would have said “of fathers who are citizens” and not “of parents who are citizens.” He did later refer to “fathers,” but only because wives automatically acquired the citizenship of their husbands the same way children did. Hence, if Vattel meant to focus only on “fathers,” he would have used “fathers” throughout his definition and never mentioned “parents” when he first defined “natural born Citizen,” for there would not have been any need to use the word “parents” when “fathers” would have sufficed. Hence, Vattel would have focused on the citizenship of the father since that citizenship would determine that of both the mother and child. It is also noteworthy that Vattel had no problem allowing the child to inherit the citizenship of the mother when the mother was not married to the child’s father. Given that Vattel in effect really focused on the citizenship of both the child’s father and mother in defining a “natural born Citizen,” Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” does not violate the equal protection guarantee embedded in the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998); Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53, 121 S.Ct. 2053; 150 L.Ed.2d 115 (2001).
part taken from site paper.
This says it all….
Hey #63 “Abdullah”: there is nothing “BS about oath and constitution and birther”. We took a sacred oath, not to a person, but to the Constitution. What exactly is your issue with that?
Do you think the “just following orders” defense worked at Nuremburg for the Nazis? Apparently you may, since we shouldn’t worry about all that “BS about oath and constitution and birther”. All legalisms, right? Why should we bother with legalities when there are wars to fight?
It’s interesting that the lefties can never attack our side in the arena of ideas — they must always resort to personal attacks and innuendo.
If the rest of you don’t think it’s possible for a leader to want orchestrated destruction of a country, be advised it’s the strategy offered by prominent socialists Cloward and Piven (google “Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Destruction”).
This whole manufactured narrative of the life of Barrack Obama is unraveling before our very eyes. We are witnessing a pivotal moment in American history. I urge you all to bone up on issues of the vetting of Barack Obama, with special consideration to his past associations and his legal documentation (or lack thereof). Don’t let the mainstream media tell you what to believe; look at the evidence for yourself, with eyes wide open. Lord knows the media didn’t vet him for us in the last election cycle, and is not likely to do it this time either, either out of misguided political partisanship, pernicious advocacy, or cowardice .
For his entire life Mr. Obama has been surrounded by the most extreme radical leftists our country has ever had the misfortune to host, and they have carefully hidden their intent and involvement in Obama’s rise to power from the public purview at least since he attended Harvard Law. The more you know about Mr. Obama, the more you will understand the terrible danger facing our Republic. He has consistently taken our country down a tragic path toward destruction, and whether you believe it is out of incompetence or malfeasance you must do your part to legally intervene, if not for your own, then for your children’s future.
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I served 4 years with the United States Army. During my service I had lots of respect for the US Marine Corp. After reading this I am thankful that I was a member of the US Army and not the Marines. If this is what makes up the mental state of the US Marine Corp then the United States is in trouble.
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I have been a civilian faculty member at the Naval War College for 22 years. I served in the US Army reserve 1970-6.
Many of these posters need to reread the Constitution they claim to defend, which states:
“The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States. . .”
President Obama was no accidental President: he was elected by a far more impressive popular and electoral majority than either of his two predecessors ever were. As Americans you have the right to speak out against his policies. As soldiers you have forfeited your right to express disrespect for him personally. An officer who refused to serve overseas on the specious grounds that the President was not qualified under the Constitution (as he most certainly is) was courtmartialled, as he deserved to be.
Many of us did not enjoy serving under President Nixon or President Bush. But we did because we recognized the obligations of citizenship. I suggest you all do the same.
The biggest trick Satan ever pulled on people,was to convince them he did not exist.
So Mr Kaiser,at what point it is become clear to you that the enemy is of the domestic kind?..when you are wearing shackles?…can’t you hear the sounds of the chains forged with our names on it?NDAA means nothing to you?..Obama’s trampling of the constitution is not enough for you to realize your country is in peril?…at what point does it become clear?…It does not get any more clear to me and that is why you see this article posted.Never in my years in the military(I served under Bush 41 and Clinton) I saw what I see now.At this point Mr Kaiser,you gotta become Churchill or Chamberlain.Choose wisely.
Victor – I still call ‘crap’ on your rantings. When you get the feeling that nobody sees something except you, well, either you’re the smartest guy on the planet, or you just think you are. Do you have some legal backing for your charge that the President has trampled the US Constitution? Do you have any proof of anything you claim? You and your Fox-bot friends claim President Obama is a socialist, yet he rescued the US auto industry without nationalizing it. Explain that to us.
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Marines should not succumb to the divisionary tactics that have been put in place everywhere else since this man took office. Agree or disagree, but be a Marine just the same! I am sure we can do that much.
These guys are traitors , simple and plain and a disgrace to the uniform. He is your commander in chief, accept, otherwise you have no right to be in the corps
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Ok let me first start off by saying any off you dumba**’s completely blinded by the institutions that you represent, whether it be any branch of our military need to stop and really think about what is being said here. I personally joined (usmc) to fight for the guys to my left and right, not some pompous, over paid, lying, arrogant, piece of s**t politician, where in 90% of all cases haven’t stepped foot off American soil to defend its moral values, character, and above all its people. For those of you that even have to question whether or not it’s lawful to turn your muzzle against your own people, those who you have sworn to protect under oath are clearly asvab wavers and shouldn’t be allowed to think on your own! You should all be rounded up and put on the first plane bound for Afghanistan and used as mine sweepers in hopes that you save our good men and allow them to return to the country they are willing to fight and die for! Demarcate or republican it is not hard to look back in our country’s recent history and see what a powerful nation we once were. There is an infectious cancer eating our great nation from the inside out and it starts with the politicians in Washington. Turning against the man to your left and right is exactly what these political terrorist want to happen. Presenting a united front among all American citizens, whether it be those who bare a military uniform, or the simple people that pray for their safe return, will be and is going to be the only saving grace to this country. All I have to say is if you do dare to turn your muzzle against me or my family you better rest a sure you will have one hell of a fight on your hands. It is my oath to you that I will destroy or neutralize any threat presented against my family, or my country foreign and domestic so help me god!……..and yes we all still live UNDER GOD! Semper Fidelis Marines
Really LONE WOLF really? This citizen demands loyalty to the Constitution FIRST, the Country 2nd, and then the President. Otherwise you would be in effect the TRAITOR by following a domestic enemy seated within the white house if and when said Pres, had you take up arms against WE THE PEOPLE whom you’re sworn to protect. Blindly following any order is
not service to this nation but treason and should be seen as an attempted coup against the people. You either have forgotten or never learned that this is a nation of the people, by the people and for the people. How far are you willing to let a runnaway CINC userp authority? abuse power? fundamentally change the power structure of this Government that leads to REVOLUTION so he can call in the power of the military against the citizenry? REALLY?
I too am willing to defend this nation against any military
that would step over the constitution and try and remove my rights, my property and the happiness I have in my family. YOU BUDDY are out of line and better go back and study the Constitution and the Declaration before you follow any order that would cause me to pull out my rifle
and bare arms against a tyrannical Government and it’s
I am proud of you Marines. Our Oath is to defend the Constitution. Plain and simple and defend our Republic against ALL enemies; foreign and DOMESTIC. Do not forget that. Make our Founding Fathers proud and don’t allow their blood, sweat, and tears to be in vain!
Former US Army Soldier.
Wow. I did not know our military was made up of conspiracy theorists, racists and total primate-thinking idiots. Your understanding or ucmj is as complete as your understanding of our constitution and history. Your ignorance is the scariest thing about our future.
For those of you who don’t understand my above post, I’m saying if you read and understood the ucmj you would see that this marine needs to be sent packing. Similarly, you need to read the constitution and our history to understand them. You should try it sometime! And i am not being ironic.
They will not Court Marshal Gary. They will simply put him out the gate. He may call Joe Arpaio as a witness. Even more interesting, what if they found him not guilty?
Teabaggers and Birthers are the same people who refused to believe Elvis was dead.
The truth is out there.
RE: Executive order from 12 March 2012 – NO SUCH THING. http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders
RE: Under the Constitution the President is the Commander in Chief. A soldier does not get to decide what wars to fight. They are under the Commander in Chief as stated in the Constitution.
Article 2 – The Executive Branch
Section 2 – Civilian Power Over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;
Reading this all I can think is that our troops have been at war too long. If these are comments from military personnel. I’ve found that guys (one in particular who was a dealer in college and got lots of deferments) now-like to pretend they are Vets and boast about how macho they are. Chicken Hawks. Now they are cowardly old men sending them to fight wars.
But if these comments come from active duty personnel – (Devil especially who threatens to disobey orders and “disable” the President) Then all the positive press about our military may change as we find out they are not our heroes but a threat to our democracy.
I see the DNC sheep are out in force, pull your head out of oblowmies ass and look around. 8 year Marine here and I commend the SGT, he is doing what an NCO should do, lead. All of you fake Gunny’s and keyboard warriors need to get with reality, we don’t have a President, we have an usurper. 100% illegal alien now deal with it! Repeating the DNC lies makes you look stupid. As a matter of fact you are stupid, to blindly follow an illegal order will get you in my sights if you come my way. I took the Oath, I understand what it means. I follow no man, I follow my Constitution that I swore to protect and defend from enimies both foriegn and domestic. You newbie ass genX pieces of shit would follow that moron off a cliff blindly, what has my Marine Corps come too. Politically correct candy asses! And you damn morons that think the birthers are full of shit, well news for ya, BILL CLINTON was the very first birther, put that in your pipe and smoke it! His comment lead to the forged documents discovery. You libtards are just freaking stupid!
Mselanie dumbass, do you know what a teabagger is? It is a homosexual! Obviously you are a stupid ass demoRat. Folks this is an example of the party that claims tollerance! Keep saying it please the gay and lesbians are taking offense to it and will vote against you!
According to US laws, soldiers are not required to follow immoral and illegal orders. This was especially emphasized after WWII, during the Nuremberg trials when Allied forces did not allow German soldiers to plead “I was just following orders”. Of course, the argument lies in what an illegal or immoral order is (beyond the obvious). Also, when I was in the Navy, we took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, from foreign and domestic enemies. Has anything changed regarding the oath since I was in Vietnam? Lastly, I’ve talked about the subject of would our military and law enforcement fire upon American Citizens in the even of an illegal act or law, such as the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms being declared unlawful by a Supreme Court or Executive Order. Would they go house to house looking for citizens and their arms. Not ONE said they would do that. Instead, they ALL said they would join citizens in a rebellion against the government. Unless Obama, who I personally don’t like, gives that kind of domestic order or by his actions proves to be a traitor, I think you’ll have to follow the chain of command.
If you took your dick out of your mouth for a second, I might be able to understand what you are saying!
I’m dismayed to see the rampant anger and near traitorous disloyalty expressed here among some, especially as much of the attitude seems to be based on wild conspiracies that have long since been disproved.
- Obama is a natural born US citizen. The term does NOT mean the child of two US citizens. People who proclaim so are making it up. “The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship “at birth” or “by birth,” including any child born “in” the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.” [Wikipedia]
- The birth certificate is real. Any claims that it is not are only put forth by a small minority of fanatics.
- The President is not Marxist or Communist or Socialist and has no secret agenda for destroying the US. That’s a lot of destructive and disrespectful hooey. If anything, this extraordinary American has done an extraordinary job of saving this country from the nearly cataclysmic economic crash caused by 30 years of Plutocrats (Rich people destroying the Middle Class.)
As a citizen I offer my thanks and great respect for every one of you who has served in the military to protect and defend this country. I especially offer my thanks to those of you, whether or not you agree with this President’s politics, defend and respect his office and position. To the rest of you, I suggest you calm down and rethink your anger. Obama is 9 points ahead of his competitor in current polls, and if the citizenry remain so wise, he will be our President and your CIC for a few more years.
God Bless America.
Are we armed because we’re free or are we free because we’re armed??
How much weblog traffic will affect to my weblog if I convert my weblog name with various domain name?
Whether you take the Oath of Enlistment or Oath of Office, you swear before God to support and defend the constitution, bear truth faith and alligence to the same, and follow the orders of the President and Officers appointed over me.
I didn’t and will vote for President Obama but, Marines do not ever make disparaging comments about the Commander and Chief, or any other elected or appointed civilian in the military chain of command. You want to, vote. But keep your political opinions to yourself. There’s a term used when the military influences or controls the civilian leadership – look it up!
Major (LDO) USMC Retired
OATH OF ENLISTMENT:
“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
OATH OF OFFICE:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
I have the utmost respect for the sacrifice our soldiers make for this country. But all of you soldiers that commented on this thread saying you will continue to follow any orders are foolish, naive, and lacking a full set of testicles. Look effing around you and get your head out of your ass! THE FUCKING COUNTRY AND CONSTITUTION YOU ARE FIGHTING TO PROTECT IS BEING SYSTEMATICALLY DISMANTLED IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES!
When your commander in chief passes executive order after executive order diminishing ALL OF OUR freedoms, pushes through countless amounts of backdoor legislation to diminish ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS, there comes a time to take a stand. Bush laid the foundation and Obama has built a wall of laws, taxes, and executive orders on top of it. You soldiers will one day be our only hope. Their will be civil war once again. But this time, it will be the people against the soldiers. What side will you take?
If you are inclined to do so, think about contacting someone to put a stop to this warp sense of power: http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
A great piece about the use of Executive Orders to take the place of Constitution that we all swore an oath to defend!
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